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Runaway Train (1985) - Off The Rails
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Surprise! Luke and Vonn are back and going off the rails on a crazy train with 1985's excellent Cannon-produced "Runaway Train"! Starring Jon Voight, Eric Roberts, Rebecca De Mornay, John P. Ryan, and directed by Andrei Konchalovsky.
Stay tuned for the 'low' pairing, Tony Scott's "Unstoppable" coming up next.
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SPEAKER_06Welcome back to the High and Low Movie Show. This is the podcast where we take not one but two thematically connected movies. We compare them, see which one did it better. Today we're doing our special on runaway trains. We're talking freighters, big old pieces of steel that are just out of control down a track. Can anybody stop them? We'll see. Of course, the high is runaway train uh from nineteen eighty something or other. The high is the runaway train from nineteen eighty-five, and the low is unstoppable from two thousand ten. Uh, I'm uh uh Vaughn Gonziola with me as always.
SPEAKER_10And I'm an uncharacteristically quiet Luke.
SPEAKER_06Luke, Luke, welcome back. Good to hear from you, listeners. Glad you're all doing you all doing out there.
SPEAKER_10I hope you guys are still okay. I hope you're alive. I know everything feels like things are getting away from us, maybe. It's a time's passing. You know, it doesn't only go in one direction. We can't back it up. You can't go, but you can't put a train in reverse. No, you can't. Or can you?
SPEAKER_06Well, I don't know. We'll see. They said it couldn't be done. Can it be done? I don't know. We'll have to wait until the next episode to find that one out. Wait, sorry, which one is the high in this? The runaway train. Okay, runaway train. Okay, because uh I've never seen this movie before, and I'm watching it, I'm thinking it's the high because it's Academy Award nominated, and then I see a canon film. Yeah, I see a big canon films go across my screen. Like, what the fuck? And then I see based on a story by Akira Kurosawa or screenplay, I'm like, the fuck is going on? Two Academy Award nominations or three? Uh two for sure, but people who did this movie went on to great success.
SPEAKER_10Great success.
SPEAKER_06Great success. So, yeah, we're talking train movies. Uh, do we do we want to address anything else or do we just want to talk about train movies?
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SPEAKER_10Where the good lords sits, bites split ya.
SPEAKER_06Split- Oh mmm.
SPEAKER_10Thought that's what you were gonna say, because that's the your cadence going in. I know that's your family uh motto.
SPEAKER_06I don't know. Is that a is that a saying? I don't know. Any I don't know where the good lord split me.
SPEAKER_10Is that you didn't are you not split in the back? I'm not split in the back. Okay, so in your family, when they say that, they're just referring to the front.
SPEAKER_06We come from a long line of mono cheeks. We don't have a we don't have a split in the back. It's just like one solid yeah, it's a mono cheek. We slam doors into vaginas. That's oh, I see. That uh is that like a a McGee, like a Buck Magee tradition for you? Like, is that is that you're from um what are you you're Russian or something like that? I'm from the McGeehee clan.
SPEAKER_07I'm from the McGeehee clan. My name's William McGee from the clan McGee. How's your vagina? Mind if I slam a door into it? This is how my mommy did it. I can't wait till Manny sees me slam a door into a vagina. He's gonna think that's so cool.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Um Eric Roberts is uh making some choices in this one. So we don't like to talk about this shit outside, but I think this movie is about as strong of an argument against AI in the creative realm uh as you could ever make, because no computer is gonna make the decisions of the actors reading this script. Like John Voigt and Eric Roberts are fucking weird, and I can't take my eyes off of them in this movie. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_10This is people who are honing their craft and are making choices. Making choices, and I don't know. And they're going big. They're big. I mean, these two actors, famously kind of big. Yeah. Eric Roberts, of course, the star of The Killer's Mr. Brightside video. Who could forget? And about the number one song in the UK for like 30 years running or whatever.
SPEAKER_06Oh, buddy, if you that song just kills. If you go to a bar or a club or a wedding and that song comes on, like people lose their shit. I've been meaning to do that as a karaoke song. That'd be fun.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I can sing that pretty well.
SPEAKER_06And people people would like it. I didn't realize how big that song was until I was uh going to university uh as I was a bit older and the crowd was a bit younger, so I was a bit separated from the bar scene, and that song comes on, and every everybody they're just screaming it in my face in particular. It's like everybody's like, we're singing this fucking song to you. I'm a millennial. I got my first hand job to this song. Why are you screaming it? Yeah, but they love it, they just absolutely fucking love it. And I I also enjoy it, but I didn't realize how important that song was to so many people. Isn't it an important song, folks?
SPEAKER_10It's one of those things that you don't realize it's a cultural touchstone until it's long past. That's right. Uh, this to me, they were just another band in 2004.
SPEAKER_06They were a band, and I thought they were pretty fine. I think Hollywood I saw them live touring on that tour, and they were really good. Oh, nice. Yeah, they uh I was mostly going for Tegan and Sarah, but they were both really good. But yeah, the killers were fucking sweet. But yeah, you don't realize what's a cultural phenomenon, like runaway training.
SPEAKER_10Everything is awesome.
SPEAKER_06Everything is awesome. My uh I I mean that song puts a smile on my face. It rules. I feel a little bit like uh it's happy, happy, joy, joy, but for real.
SPEAKER_10I don't know if you like I mean it's satirical.
SPEAKER_06Yes, yeah, because everything isn't awesome. No, there are many things that aren't.
SPEAKER_10No, like monoculture farming, like that's not good for the environment. We can't just have onions. No, you gotta have a variety.
SPEAKER_06You gotta go.
SPEAKER_10I think I'm just top of mind for me, right now.
SPEAKER_06I'm a chaos farmer, so I think that yeah, monoculture farming isn't great. Yeah, plant yourself a little chaos garden. Uh, I don't, you know what? Talking farming, I don't like apple maggots, I don't like worms getting to my apples. I think that's unawesome.
SPEAKER_10No, it's not the awesomest thing. No. But what you know what actually is awesome? Runaway train. Runaway train.
SPEAKER_06Have you seen this movie before?
SPEAKER_10No. I just heard it was like the one canon movie that got a bunch of Academy Award nominations. Yeah, this is their style. A golden store script, like a prestige director. We are going for legitimacy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Uh they wanted to see it. This movie's fucking awesome. It really loves it. It is like my favorite movie of all time, apparently, and I just saw it like two days ago. I don't know. I really like it. I liked it a lot, yeah. That might be a little hyperbolic, but like I fucking was pretty over the moon the entire time, and I was glad to watch it. It's directed by uh Andre Konchalovsky. He's uh done some other stuff here. He's done Tango and Cash, he's done uh famous flop. I think that pretty well ended his career. Yeah, that's pretty much it. Yeah, he was uh had a bit of a run in the 70s. He's done other stuff, but yeah, his big movie, his big other movie is Tango and Cash. Is this our first canon picture? I think like somehow it is, and I don't understand how that could work.
SPEAKER_10Our first canon?
SPEAKER_06I don't think we've done a canon before this.
SPEAKER_10I think maybe not a canon. We did a Golan or a Globus. Oh, what was um one of those movies we covered was produced by one of those Israeli psychopaths who love film, and I am eternally if Israel ever did anything good and it didn't, it brought us Golan and Globus.
SPEAKER_06Oh, I love these two psychopaths. They just like so many great movies. I wish there was just more wealthy people like them who are just insane, just dump all their money into the fucking arts, into like some art they love and they love movies.
SPEAKER_10I mean, we have now Bezos or whatever, being like, here's a billion dollars to make War of the Ring. I was like, Great, it's a terrible piece of shit. Yeah, thanks a lot.
SPEAKER_06Why does everything look shitty?
SPEAKER_10This shit sucks ass. Why don't you pay people?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, no, the Golden Globus. I you know what? I'm uh happy to have them around. But yeah, I don't know if I don't know if we have done one before, but maybe we have. If you're saying we have, it's just worth mentioning that we've done minimal Golem and Globus movies, and somehow the one that we are doing, like I think the first one, maybe not the first, but like is the high somehow. I don't know how this worked out.
SPEAKER_10It's probably the only high we could pick for a canon picture.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. So super happy to watch it, but all that being said, I was very confused in uh what I was taking notes on until it quickly became obvious to me this movie is a fucking masterpiece.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, so the thing is this was an Akira Kurosawa script, and this was something he was trying to make for a long time, and late in his life and in his career, Kurosawa couldn't get funding for his fucking movies. He wasn't big enough in Japan. But American filmmakers like Spielberg, Coppola, I believe, some of the new Hollywood guys, like they helped fund his last few movies. He made these big epics like uh Kagamusha, Ran, Dreams. These movies are so special to me. Uh, I think Dreams, especially, um, it's so personal, so beautiful, so vivid. And he's the greatest filmmaker of all time. But all of these things have something in common, and they're these great humanist parables. Uh, and that's where this movie eventually it kind of is like, oh, I'm watching a canon movie. Oh, but no, it's a Kurosawa movie. It's a humanist parable. There's what it is, what is it to be man?
SPEAKER_06What happens if you imprison a man for uh you know, so many years does he become a beast? I don't know, all of a sudden I'm asking myself all these philosophical questions.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, there's philosophy in there, and then you know, it's it's got the same kind of messages, these archetypical characters and all of that that you'd expect from a Kurosawa movie. So it it seems a little different than the typical Western movie. Yeah. Or or genre movie.
SPEAKER_06It's a fascinating blend because yeah, you do have like the highest of high class, like thoughtful directors mixed with these fucking lunatics who are just like are like masters of exploitation and just kind of like shitty bee.
SPEAKER_10Well, you know, like you've got big performances. I think Void is probably trying to channel his best Toshiro Mufuni. Sure. I can now with a New York accent. Now that you mention it, I could see that. This is a good companion piece with high and low. Kurosawa was high and low. This is a good companion piece with Ikiru, Red Beard, all of his more modern movies about these kinds of same themes that he'd kind of go to over and over. So this is cool that Canon was like, hey, we'll buy your script and make this fucking movie, and they tried their best.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and I fucking love it.
SPEAKER_10It's pretty good results.
SPEAKER_06Um John Voigt. So yeah, he's big in this. When did he start going big though? Because I'm thinking earlier in his career, I don't know when his like had to be here. Like this does like the term. I'm not a John Voigt fanatic. Yeah, but looking through his earlier stuff, you know, like the deliverance and the I haven't seen that many with deliverance. Uh you haven't seen deliverance. I've seen deliverance, but I haven't seen that many other movies before this period. Uh Midnight Cowboy. He those are smaller performances. Small and timid. This is he's huge. He's just eating every little piece of scenery in sight. Yeah, and that's kind of the void we know and love. Yeah, and somehow Eric Roberts is like, oh, you missed a spot over here, you missed a spot over here. I got that for you. Look at these big chompers, buddy.
SPEAKER_07Manny you left some spare stools from the prison scene over here. I'm gonna eat them. Okay, you eat them.
SPEAKER_09You have eat those couch cushions.
SPEAKER_04If some man comes in and he says, You missed a stool over there, you're gonna go there, you're gonna eat that stool.
SPEAKER_09You're gonna eat that stool. Oh, you're a man. You're gonna eat it. You're gonna eat it.
SPEAKER_06I love it so much. Um, any other parting shots or anything? I think that about covers it.
SPEAKER_10We've done a pretty big preamble. Alright, so the movie starts. We got Stonehaven Maximum Security Prison. Alaska, United States of America.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Shitty place for a prison.
SPEAKER_10It's a shitty place to be. It looks it, you know, this is a winter movie. We're covering this in the summer. We're talking about this in the summertime. If you want to cool off a little bit, watch this movie. It's one of the coldest movies I've ever fucking seen.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's uh pretty brutal. The environment plays a you feel it. It's a very visceral the way they shoot the environment and everything. Like everybody's on the verge of frostbite in this movie. After about 20 minutes after that point, everybody's like exposed to the elements and just look cold and uncomfortable. There's no warmth. No, even in the prison, the only warmth is like from a riot fire of like a bunch of burning toilet paper and book pages or whatever else they throw on that.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. So we see Buck. Uh that's Eric Roberts. Uh Buck McGeehee? Yeah, McGeehee from the McGeehee clan.
SPEAKER_06I'm Buck McGee.
SPEAKER_07I shoot fireballs out of my butt.
SPEAKER_06He's going a little goo goofy. He's going a little uh like Disney goofy with his voice choice in this movie.
SPEAKER_10Oh, like goofy, yeah. The goofy the character. Yeah, like garage. He's not riding uh right foot forced on a snowboard. No, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_06I don't think I think he would be a uh he'd be a skier, McKee.
SPEAKER_02I'm hot dogging. Look at me, look at me, Manny. I'm hot dogging. Hey, those girls over there show me their boobs. I love 80s ski comedies.
SPEAKER_07Manny, we're in ski patrol now. There's a bunch of jocks who said that they're gonna kick my ass if they can't, if I beat them in a race. If I don't beat them in a race, I don't understand, Manny. Help me, Manny. Help me understand the plot of ski patrol. You're stupid, man.
SPEAKER_06Again, I I I have trouble with Manny. Manny is John Void. We'll see him in a little bit here, but we'll get to Manny.
SPEAKER_10All I did was say Buck's name so far. So he sees He sees on TV in the comments that Manny uh John Voigt has won a civil rights suit against the prison after being in solitary for three years. Yeah! I say yeah, yeah, yeah. So everybody's cheering. Apparently, this guy's a fucking legend.
SPEAKER_06So yeah, king. Manny John Voigt. He's a bank robber, and he's escaped from prison like twice. And this prison is like Alcatraz, or it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be impossible to escape from, but he's done it twice, and now he's about to get out of solitary, so maybe it's gonna happen again. I don't know, but he's the fucking man and everybody loves him. He's like a Robin Hood, he's like a real life Robin Hood slash Sean Connery in the rock.
SPEAKER_10So Buck goes to this guy, Rogers, who's I guess in charge of the intercom. Uh, and he's like, You gotta put the warden speech on the intercom, so all brows in the sales block can hear. You gotta hear it. Have you got have you got shit in your veins or what, man? I I love the dialogue in this movie too. So many insults and curses that I've never heard before.
SPEAKER_06Oh, yeah. The guard. Here kind of comes back with a it seems to me like a little obvious that maybe this something got lost in translation. It was like, I've been watching here since you've been peeing in diapers. And it's usually those type of lines are uh a little punchier, like you know, since you're a twinkle in your father's eye or since you've been shitting your pants or something like that.
SPEAKER_10Peeing in diapers, peeing diapers, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Peeing, peeing, like a little pee-pee. I feel like the actor could have punched that one. He could have punched, yeah. You've been a little doing a little pee-pee in your little diape diape. That's how long I've been here for. Wan. But the tone is quickly corrected. Keep them trained like pampers. Throw them shitty drawers in the hamper.
SPEAKER_10So all the prisoners are breaking shit, they're talking shit at the guards, they're lighting fires in the block, while the warden's telling the media that he's like, Well, you see, Manny's a goddamn animal, and you should never see the light of day. Is that your warden? Is that your is that your Franken? I don't remember what he sounds like exactly, but that's probably more or less it.
SPEAKER_06I think that's totally fine. He's he's more of like a European, he's just like a gruff asshole.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, we see Danny Trejo there, and I think he sounds like, Hey, I'm Danny Tr Daniel Trejo. This was actually, I think, his first movie role.
SPEAKER_06It was. Uh he was an on-site um wellness or drug counselor for somebody, uh, somebody in the crew.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_06And basically uh what the director or some John Void or somebody, I don't know, eyeballed him and like, this guy needs to be in the fucking movie because get him in front of the camera. I don't know what's going on with him, but this guy is the real fucking deal. Yeah. Um figured it out.
SPEAKER_10Couple uh convicts in this movie. Yeah, Trejo apparently was like disappointed and upset that so many people were using cocaine on the set of this movie. Yeah, it's just 1985 in a canon film.
SPEAKER_06Man, that he's a that's the fucking guy. He's just like leading an upright life. Love him. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10An American treasure.
SPEAKER_06So um Eddie Bunker is also in this movie, and he was uh the screenwriter, or um, yeah, uh he was one of the screenwriters, and you'd recognize him. He's Mr. Blue from Reservoir Dogs. Oh uh he dies pretty early on, but he's a guy that you would recognize, and he was also a former convict, and he was uh brought in as like a consultant for the movie and did a lot of like screenwriting for like he was has a screenwriting credit, but he was brought into air some legitimacy. So they like brought in folks who have been around prison, been in prison, and you can tell because the prison scenes in this movie aren't great. They're like, you know, like not like prison looks shitty. This doesn't make me think that I want to go to prison, seeing how it's how it is in this movie.
SPEAKER_10What movie made you want to go to prison in the first place? So, what so what got you to where you're at today?
SPEAKER_06Uh yeah, so that's a really good question. Um, no escape was uh the one that really put me over the edge. But so it has to be like a futuristic island prison where there's like warring cult factions. That kind of made it seem appealing to me. And then after that, it's just been I've been wanting to go more and more, but I just haven't pulled the trigger yet. Uh figuratively, of course.
SPEAKER_10How about Ricochet? That's a fun prison. Yeah, it's 90% just a blacked-out lunchroom where you have samurai battles. That does look as he ventura.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I know. I just think that it'd be really annoying to be um in the same prison as a fucking what's his name?
SPEAKER_10Uh John Lithgow.
SPEAKER_06John Lithgow. Jonathan Lithgow. Old Mr. Jonathan. It's a bit too much. He would be annoying to be in prison with. He's a little too butch for me. The face-off prison. Uh anything with mag boots is on, so face off, uh, Fast and Furious 7, I guess. The The Rock and Jason Satan were in like a futuristic prison.
SPEAKER_09Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Of course, I would love to be in escape plan just because then I could be in prison with uh Arnie and Sly.
SPEAKER_10Why haven't they just done the stupid mag boots yet? I don't know. Like I mean, with the human rights abuses that they have in the United States in prisons, how expensive are magnets?
SPEAKER_06Fucking cheap. They're not expensive. Not hard. You just hook a battery up to a like a coil of wire, and bam, you have a magnet. What's so fucking hard about that? Just do it. So Warden Rankin's.
SPEAKER_10They don't use their mag boots. A number one problem. Uh Warden Rankin comes to let Manny out of the hole. And uh, you know, we got John Void here, we finally see him. He's doing push-ups, defiant as ever. Yeah, Warden's trying to get him to stand up and talk, and he's like, fuck you, man. I'm gonna let you out in the yard. I hope you make a move so I can stop your clock. You do what you have to do, and I do what I have to do. Whatever happens, happens. Yeah, just the stuff they say in this movie I've never heard anybody say in the movie. Yeah. In or in life, period. Like stuff like that's your mother's farthole, ranking.
SPEAKER_06That bitch is laugh. That was a random, like, uh random ADR line, and it was fucking awesome. Your mama's farthole. So ranking pee-pee. So we gotta talk about John Voigt's appearance, right? He's got like he's got handlebar mustaches, he's got gold teeth, he's his face is all scarred up, he's got like a bit of a droopy eye thing going like eye going on. They really made the hell out of him, and he's got an outrageous uh Luke is telling me it's like a New York, a Queens accent. I don't know. I'd say it's Outer Burroughs. It's a precursor to Anaconda, is what it is. For me, it's like this a the there's a direct trajectory from the bit of a Latin accent.
SPEAKER_10Just I'm I'm detecting a little bit, but I think this is Outer Burroughs, somebody who's hung around Puerto Ricans enough to pick up just a few of their inflections.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, hyper specific. But John Voigt playing it big and like just looks like an unhinged lunatic. Like, you don't want to fuck with this guy.
SPEAKER_10Mm-hmm. So Rankin, he responds with an inspirational speech in front of the whole prison that's basically riding, and he's like, Well, let me tell you, you're all actually f human filth, and you should all be cleansed from the earth, and uh you're you know, you you're shit. Well, actually, no shit You're worse than shit, you see.
SPEAKER_06You can actually use shit to put on some garden, so you can grow vegetables from shit.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_06You can't do anything with you.
SPEAKER_10You're more like I might I might use shit as a scrubbing sponge to wipe you off my floor.
SPEAKER_04That's Yeah, you could put shit in a bag and light it on fire, and that's funny. I can't you you're useless like a fucking piece of piss. You can't do anything on a piss. What can I do with piss?
SPEAKER_10You can piss on a fire, but then it smells like piss. You got rid of one problem, then you got another one. So that's how Rankin feels about his uh guests.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, his uh there are he's like a fucking dancing um candelabra around his he's just thinking, you're my guest, you're my guest. Everybody's just feeling so welcome. No, no, he walks in. First there's God, then me, the warden, then my guards, then the dogs out in the kennels, then you.
SPEAKER_04Pieces of human waste.
SPEAKER_06No good to yourselves or anybody else.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, good stuff, good leadership.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_10It's the kind of stuff I do at work.
SPEAKER_06You can tell all the people in this prison are going to get better and they're gonna be reintegrated into society successfully.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Good rehabilitary, reconciliatory uh dialogue. Yeah, so before he freed Manny, the warden, they have like a little talk off. The warden, if it was up to him, he would have kept Manny in jail forever. He fucking hates this guy, but uh instead, you know, they have a history. Warden doesn't like Manny because he's ruining his prison's reputation because he's always he's always getting out of the damn place. Manny doesn't like the warden because he keeps putting him in uh solitary confinement for years at a time. So they have friction. Yeah. They don't like each other. That's important. That's an important part of this movie.
SPEAKER_10They really don't like each other.
SPEAKER_06It's like the feeling is totally mutual.
SPEAKER_10They hate each other with like the deepest of passion. Now we go to a boxing scene. At least they got boxing in this prison. That's cool. Like Oz. Drink. We brought up Oz HBO TV show on an episode. Uh your grandparents. We we see Buck, and uh, that's Eric Roberts. He's in the ring with Danny Treho. Daniel Treho, pardon me.
SPEAKER_06Like Oz, they got the dudes, they got the more effeminate dudes walking around carrying the brown numbers.
SPEAKER_10One of those fruity fellas as a ring girl. Yeah. Which is which juicy ass. Oh, in Daisy Dudes.
SPEAKER_06Crack a walnut off it. Oh, uh yeah, I I was totally thinking Oz, and I love a good prison boxing scene.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_06And this one's good. You got Danny Trejo against uh Eric Roberts. Eric Roberts is looking pretty good.
SPEAKER_10Are you a ring girl or are you a maybe a first round eliminated boxer? Oh, I would. There's nowhere in between, huh? No, that's the two options. You either get your clock cleaned in the first round or you're a ring girl.
SPEAKER_06Uh yeah, I would probably go. I'd be uh I'd get my claw cleaned, I guess. I don't know. I'd be a ring girl. Um back in high school bad question. We all know the answer. Back in high school, before it was uh so widely acceptable, and this wouldn't fly anymore. We had a Miss Spartini competition. So the Spartan was our school's mascot. And the whole idea is all the fellas, they're gonna dress up like girls and walk the catwalk and do a little sexy dance. There could be nothing funnier. It was so good. I went out there and got wild applause. Um I decided the day of I was gonna do it.
SPEAKER_10We should never fly now. We'll never fly.
SPEAKER_06I just like cobbled together uh whatever costume I could find on like the day of or the night before. I'm like, oh fucking do this. This could be a dress, I'll stuff this down my shirt. Hey, you like like give me your give me your lipstick. It doesn't sound like you put that much effort into it then. No, but it was good. At the end of the day, I had my I had long hair at the time, so I had like a sexy little updo. Really worked. We should see who's the hotter woman. Probably you.
unknownProbably.
SPEAKER_10You just swallowed like I just broke your heart. I was throwing up on my mouth a little bit. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_06Oh, my broken heart. Yeah, no, you have soft features. But Eric Roberts, looking fucking cut. He's looking in great shape in this movie. Yeah, he's lean. And he looks funny.
SPEAKER_10He knocks Trejo's head smooth off.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's uh he's getting his the shit kicked out of him, but good.
SPEAKER_10Um, so as Buck celebrating the win, uh Manny's standing ringside, and this con comes up and shivs him. And he doesn't quite get him in the body blow. He doesn't get him in the body, he uh gets his hand. He wounds his hand. Yeah, right through the hand. It looked fucking brutal. Yeah. So Manny's he's he takes this guy down, a bunch of prisoners fucking fuck this guy up, right?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's a little bit uh so yeah, Manny takes it a little bit like Robert De Nier, like Max Cady, where like it looks like he's gonna get the shit kicked out of him, and then it turns out this guy's a fucking super tough maniac. Super tough psycho. Yeah, and he just like comes and he starts to like beat him with a stool, like one of the stools from the boxing, like the corner of the boxing ring, and he's about to do it.
SPEAKER_02Here's my blood!
SPEAKER_06Yeah, he's got blood just pouring from his hand, he just sprays it across this guy's face.
SPEAKER_02Come on, Rankin, shoot the kill.
SPEAKER_07I'm right here! I'm right here, Rankin.
SPEAKER_10He makes a big scene. Like our president Donald Trump, when he was almost shot. Fight, Rankin. Great.
SPEAKER_06Fight Rankin and Rankin, he's the warden, and a couple of his buddies with guns, they're up top, just like watching this whole thing. One of them shoots a gun off to kind of break the scene up because it's obvious that Manny's not gonna go for the kill. He's not he's not gonna hit the guy.
SPEAKER_10And it's obvious that Rankin paid off this prisoner or bribed him to try and make this hit. Oh, yeah, as as John Voigt's kicking the shit out of him, he's like, Rankin made me do it!
SPEAKER_07Rankin made me do it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06So just I believe him. Yeah, me too. But yeah, John Voigt's just like screaming at everybody. Eric Roberts comes a little bit in his pants just then. He loves Manny so much.
SPEAKER_10Uh Manny also has this friend Jonah. Yeah, so that's Ed that's and Jonah comes out and disembowels this fucking guy, the would-be assassin. He just straight up shivs him. Yeah, that's rips his guts out.
SPEAKER_06Like this guy's holding his guts. It's awesome. It's awesome. And that's yeah, that's Edward Eddie Bunker, Edward Bunker. Oh, that's Bunker. Yeah. Oh, right. Okay. So yeah, he just like stabs him 50 times, you know, prison style. I guess he knows how to do that.
SPEAKER_09Exactly.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's like Christopher Leo Martha is like when he's like tells Peter Jackson how like a throat sounds when it's slit. It's like actually, yeah, men don't gasp when you stab them in the back.
SPEAKER_10They okay.
SPEAKER_06Actually, Andre, uh, when uh somebody gets stabbed 50 times in the back in prison, it sounds goes more like this.
SPEAKER_03Uh okay. You say whatever you say, Edward, you're very tough. Very tough. It's is me, Andre Koncholovsky. Very tough, Ed, very tough.
SPEAKER_10I'm sure a guy like that, born when he was born, or guy with that name born when he was born, has seen some shit too. Guaranteed. Yeah. Um infirmary. Uh, so it's lockdown. Manny's recovering from his wound, uh, with his little boo-boo. He's got a little uh Paw Patrol band-aid on. Yeah, his hand's pretty fucked up, but he'll be fine. Yeah. His buddy Jonah's in there too. He got hurt pretty bad.
SPEAKER_06Does his face look super fucked up here, or is it just the way that it was shot? Jonah? Yeah. Didn't you have like a bandage or something? Okay, maybe you just had a so I watched this movie like effectively twice. Like I watched it and then I just watched it's all on YouTube and in like different pieces, and I just like watched a whole bunch of bits and pieces. Uh oh no, well it's on Tubi, but it's also just on YouTube because nobody gives a shit about it. Like you can watch the whole thing if you want. Um should.
SPEAKER_10It's a good movie.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, PSA, everybody. You have no reason not to watch this movie.
SPEAKER_10Several people were covering this, and I was like, you should watch this movie, and they all liked it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, because it's fucking awesome, it's super enjoyable. But the first time I'm like, what is wrong with this guy's face? He looks like the elephant man or something like that. He's got like a massive head because like the way they're shooting it, it's just like it's like from the neck up, so his head is taking on most of the screen, and it's like he's got bars on either side, so you can't see how wide it is, and he's got a band-aid fucking it up. So I thought that he looked like that shitty Marvel guy who came out in the last uh like Modoc. Like I thought he had kind of like some Modox.
SPEAKER_10Get out of here. Stan Lee made you when he was senile.
SPEAKER_06Did you did you hear shitty Marvel guy is gonna be in the new movie? Oh my god, I'm gonna make so much content about that.
SPEAKER_10MCU phase four is gonna be sick. We're gonna have Blade finally with Maherschal Ollie. We'll got shitty Marvel guy.
SPEAKER_06Did you hear Shitty Marvel Guy's gonna be in the new Avengers? That's they're bringing back Iron Man, and Shitty Marvel Guy's making its first appearance. I can't believe it. He's gonna use his super shitty powers. Anyways, his head looks massive, but I'm wrong on this. He just looks I don't know what you're talking about. It was just okay. It threw me off because his head looked gigantic. You explained it. Yeah, he looked like Modoc. That's all. And then I watch it again, I'm like, it's just the way that it's shot. It just Modoc. He's the shitty Marvel. I don't want to go.
SPEAKER_10They're all shitty Marvel guys to me. Anyways.
SPEAKER_06Oh my god, I was doing a podcast and I had to explain who Modoc was. It was the most embarrassing thing of my life. Uh letter bomb, letter bomb, letter bomb, cyanide.
SPEAKER_10So, uh, Manny tells Jonah, surprise, guess what? I'm planning to break out, and Buddy's like, I can't join you anymore, Manny. Uh I like you a lot, but I'm fucking toast. I'm done with this.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. He's got a good gig in prison, and he's tired of getting the shit kicked out of him for fucking up. So and he doesn't want to go, it's cold. Did we say that this place is in Alaska? It's fucking cold. It's the middle of winter. Uh so Sarah Palin's outside. Nobody wants to go there.
SPEAKER_10Oh, come on, we can warm up in them bosoms. Ooh, yeah. Uh we see Buck on laundry duty. Sarah Palin's. What? Sarah Palin's bosoms. You don't think I can objectify that woman that nobody's talked about in 20 years?
SPEAKER_06Uh how crass, Luke.
SPEAKER_10I can't believe you're watching this podcast. Watch me. I'll finish inside her. We see Buck on Laundry Duty. You betcha. Can I finish inside you?
SPEAKER_06Oh, sure. Sure as you can see Alaska from sure as you can see Russia from my house.
SPEAKER_10That's how Alaskans talking. We see Buck on laundry duty. He meets Manny in a secluded corridor and jumps into the big laundry thing with all the dirty drawers.
SPEAKER_09Everyone's like, hey, clean up my stinky skidmarked fucking drawers.
SPEAKER_10Oh, somebody then comes strapped with a pamper.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_10So uh Buck hands this guard some uh it's t the guard, by the way, is Tiny Lister. Yeah. It's Debo from Friday. Debo himself.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Uh character actor and a bajillion other things. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06But yeah.
SPEAKER_10To me, he's always Debo. He's Debo. He's in the dark night. He's a big black guy with a bad lazy eye.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_10You've seen him and shit.
SPEAKER_06Like Forrest Whitaker ain't got nothing on like Debo's eye, Tiny Lister. But got what a look. You know, he's made a career with a because it's such a unique look. Legend. Um he also loves white. He also loves naked white women in this movie.
SPEAKER_10Don't we all? Uh so Buck hands this hands Debo some new boxing shoes for his son. He's like, eighty dollars, man. Bargain at twice the price. It's the these are great shoes. He's like, I know your son's getting into boxing and all that. And uh Debo starts getting suspicious, and Buck pulls out the Playboy Playmates. He's got some Playboy mags sitting there, and he's like, Grandpa the Clam of White Pussy. You're like white pussy, huh? And he's like, Oh yeah, white pussy.
SPEAKER_06As a matter of fact, I love it. This guy's brain just shuts down. Yeah. He starts to get a little suspicious. They play it a little tense and it's shot a little tense, where he's like, is he gonna you know that like he's not gonna find him because it's five minutes into the movie?
SPEAKER_10Uh but you know it could be on to him.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Just say white pussy. Oh black guys love white pussy.
SPEAKER_06He turns into Roger Rabbit for a minute. Hello. Uh but they get him out, they get out of the elevator. They they make it there, and uh Buck is pushing, pushing. They're going to the furnace room. That's the plan. And uh here we get the first little clue that Buck is a fucking idiot. Well, maybe not the first clue, but he decides to join Manny and go with him, and he just leaves the cart, the laundry cart, just right out in the middle of the open, in the middle of nowhere.
SPEAKER_10It is out in the open, right?
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_10He does this twice. Yeah, he's a fucking side. Just leaving fucking tracks.
SPEAKER_06He's a he's what the French call les incompetents.
SPEAKER_10Thank you, John Hughes, R.I.P. Um so Manny, he starts getting butt ass naked and greasing himself up. This was like a dog guy from Family Guy. We see his cock, right? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06I was shocked. I I I forgot about we see his cock. Yeah, and you see his like full naked, greasy ass. He's just covering himself in like in axle grease or something, and and he's like, the fuck you doing in here, man. What are you doing? I'm coming with you, manny. Was it a big cock? I didn't notice too much. I'm sure I'm sure John Void's got a fine member. He's a tall guy, right? He's a big guy. Is he? Isn't he? I think he's pretty short.
SPEAKER_10I'm not sure if he's short or really tall. I think he's like kind of tall. I think I bet you he's over six feet. It's hard.
SPEAKER_06It's I'm trying to think like, okay, Midnight Cowboy. He's standing next to Dustin Hoffman, Mission of Paul's, we're standing next to Tom Cruise. I have no idea how tall this guy is.
SPEAKER_10Okay, somebody needs to petition Google to have them change it from centimeters. When you're Googling in Canada, nobody measures height in centimeters. That means nothing to me.
SPEAKER_06I'm getting better at it. I'm work, I'm doing the work. I'm trying to make myself better. You heard of it? He's 6'2, you're right. Yeah, he's a tall. He's uh he's probably gone.
SPEAKER_10You said 189 centimeters. I'm like, I don't know. But I do know I'm like 180 centimeters. Yeah. 2.5 or so. My cock, I mean.
SPEAKER_06Hey. My fucking cock. Hey, my schwant. I'm sure he's uh doing fine in the in the area, the crotch area. So Eric Roberts starts getting naked, and there's they're each getting greased up. They're not gonna grease each other up. Is he his cock? I don't I didn't notice Eric Roberts' cock.
SPEAKER_10But uh who knows what's I feel like people have been saying hog too much. I'm over hog. Hog is 2025. Yeah, I'm bringing back cock. Cock. Which is like the I like Johnson. I've always been a fan of a Johnson guy. Yeah, Schwanz is good if you want to go Yiddish.
SPEAKER_06Which I sometimes I do. Yiddish has some good terms. It's uh hey, good word's a good word. They're greasing up, and then they start wrapping themselves in saran wrap, and I am sort of piecing it together. I'm still not getting all the pieces together. Okay, I still don't know why they grease themselves up and wrap them in saran wrap. So it's it's because they're going into the water. The plan is to go down this pipe into a freezing cold river, and the grease and the saran wrap, I think, are supposed to just kind of insulate insulate and repel. Like both of like the grease is uh gonna keep the water from you know penetrating your skin. So that's what I'm thinking, I don't know if that's a hundred percent, but I think it's that, and just to kind of give you a bit of extra insulation in general. It's a lot of trouble for losing your clothes. Well, did they go they brought their clothes with them? John Void had like a sack, he had like a sack for his clothes, but Eric Roberts left his shoes behind his shoes. Oh, he had shoes. They were just sh pieces of shit. Oh, right, because uh the prism was a fucking shithole.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they pry open some sewer covers, they crawl down into the pipes below. They're in the stinky ass sewer, they come to a barred grate. That Manny this is clever. I'd never thought of this before.
SPEAKER_06Oh, I thought this was awesome, yeah.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, an emergency jack stand. Yeah. He puts it between the bars. You can fucking pry those bitches open easy.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, look, yeah, he makes it look e he makes this shit look good. Buck what fucked up again though. He didn't like cover the opening of the thing as well either. He like left he left it like part like open. Like he's really just showing everybody exactly how they got out of prison here. Lean and right to him. Anyway, yeah, they get in there and they go 200, what does he say? 300 foot, got a 300 foot drop out of the top.
SPEAKER_10We're gonna fall 300 feet into the America River. So we get great looking shots of the Arctic landscape as they're coming out and around there. Yeah. Like the movie just opens up wide here. It's it's like the movie up to this point is the first cutscene that opens up Skyrim, and then you you're like, okay, I'm in Skyrim now.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, this place is wide open, it's bleak, it's desolate. Like you could uh and it's freezing cold, and these guys are super ill-prepared. Like, how are they ever gonna make it out of here? But they've got a plan. Manny's got a plan. So they start heading off in a particular direction, and Buck is just being a little whiny baby the entire time.
SPEAKER_10Well, his shoes, we see them, they're busted wide open, completely full of snow.
SPEAKER_07His shoes, my shoes, manny, shoes, Manny. I need my shoes. I need shoes, Manny. Shoes! Shoes, shoes!
SPEAKER_04Shut up. Shut up about the shoes.
SPEAKER_06I can't how does he do it? I can't do it without I put too much of a something on.
SPEAKER_09Shut up about the shoes. Shoes, I need you, shut up about the shoes.
SPEAKER_06My feet are freezing, Manny. Eric Roberts is just a whiny baby the entire time, and I I love it. I love it so much.
SPEAKER_10So they they get to a train depot, uh, they stop in at some shack, um, and Buck's like, Rankin's knee walking pissed off, I bet. She back at uh back at the prison. He's knee walking pissed off.
SPEAKER_06He's knee walking pissed off. I miss that one.
SPEAKER_10You know that all this. Anytime they said an expression that I've never heard before in my life, I had to write it down.
SPEAKER_06You must you were must have been busy. Yeah. Back at prison, there's like a full-on riot going on again. People are just thr starting fires, and everybody's just losing their minds because words got out that Manny's escaped again. This is really ruffled Rankin's feathers.
SPEAKER_10Mm-hmm. So they're rifling through uh some of the rail yard workers' lockers, which is handy. They got hard hats and stuff. You get a hard hat and a clipboard, you can fucking go anywhere. Everybody knows that.
SPEAKER_06Oh, that's the secret.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, just go into the bank, ask for a loan of ten million dollars, and they'll say, Okay, here's you go. Fuck yeah, away you go. And then you can send it to high and low podcast at gmail.com for NFTs. You'll get a number of things. You'll get all of that back times ten.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, which that's a promise.
SPEAKER_10Uh so Buck. Shoes, I need shoes. They do eventually find some boots in there, I think.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, finally he can shut up about the shoes.
SPEAKER_10He goes on about them for a while, but they just leave their prison jumpers in them in a lump in the middle of the fucking floor. Exactly. They're just giving it all away. You couldn't just like hide them in a vent or under a bench or something.
SPEAKER_06I'm pretty sure that's entirely Buck as well. I think Manny had the forethought to like put his somewhere. Like, don't put them in plain sight at the very least. Yeah, it's like right there. So everybody, it's real easy to piece together what exactly happened here. Because they would have thought that they were dead, right? I mean, maybe not, but like they wouldn't have found out that they got on a train if they didn't leave it there. No. And I mean where else could they go? I don't know. Uh you're just leaving breadcrumbs. Yeah. And uh Rankin, he's a hungry little bird, isn't he? He's peckin'. He's throughout the whole movie is gonna be pecking hot on their trail.
SPEAKER_10He's a pecker, alright.
SPEAKER_06He's a pecker.
SPEAKER_10Pecker wood. So they're like, what which train would you jump on there, Manny? There's my limousine to Broadway. Right there. They they see this short-looking lotomotive.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's four locomotives back to back. There's no extra trains or anything that it's hauling. He just loves it though. He just he falls in love with this train at first sight.
SPEAKER_10Now, from here on out, to the lay people that may be listening, we're gonna throw some train terms around at you. And we didn't just learn them within the last couple hours because we're morons. We actually know these, and like if you don't know them, you should feel stupid.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I think it's safe to say that we are train experts.
SPEAKER_10Uh this is a really good opportunity to bring up a random idea for an episode.
SPEAKER_06We really want to go deep on trains, and now I'm actually terrified because train people are fucking freaks, man.
SPEAKER_10Uh come at us.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I would be fascinated. What I found out while I was doing my extensive background research for these movies is that fucking people who love trains love trains. And I think it's not just train people.
SPEAKER_10There's plain people too. I've seen those people that'd be like, well, a beat 17 in this 42 flap can't hold that kind of cargo in this movie, it can't go up to the speeds to catch a such and such. I'm like, who are you?
SPEAKER_06But like, but you can also name like every Akira Kura Sawa movie in probably the order they came out. Like, yes, but that's not that hard. But you know, people are like, what I'm saying is like people have a when they're passionate about something, they turn into freaks about it. Like, if you read the trivia, read if go through the trivia on this, so much of it is train related, train specific related. They talk about the four engines that were on in this movie.
SPEAKER_10I'm sorry, what are you people? Fucking toddlers? You didn't outgrow your uh fascination with trains. I don't know, the train's going off the track. Grown ass men obsessed with trains. Well they love it, do it for work.
SPEAKER_06Okay. They list the trains, all of the specific engines that were in this movie, they have like obituaries for them. Like the Wikipedia article is hilarious. It's like the four locomotives have since gone their own way, and it has a history of what happened to each one. This one retired in Colorado, it's in a museum.
SPEAKER_10This one's animal farm or no, uh Animal House post.
SPEAKER_06That's what this movie needs.
SPEAKER_10Like, I want to know what happened to the caboose that Chugalug, dude. He didn't make it, never achieved his dreams. He died of an alcohol overdose.
SPEAKER_06I heard they brought two cabooses on to uh get smashed up. One was extra. I want to know what happened to the one that didn't get smashed. Give me the give me the background detail.
SPEAKER_10Unironically, I'd like to know what happened to all the cabooses. They don't have them on trains anymore, and it sucks. That's true. Uh I've always wanted to be in a caboose, just be a caboose guy, just hanging out there. Have you ever been through a caboose? In a cozy caboose.
SPEAKER_06Do you know what the caboose is? It's where they live. It should be cozy. It's pretty cozy. It's got a stove, it's got a little bunk bed, a little table.
SPEAKER_10Okay, now I'm starting to sound like a train guy, but you're really selling me on. It's a slippery slope. Once you get I am middle-aged and divorced.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, once you get on that track, baby, there's no going back. But a little bored. The the trivia in history for ball.
SPEAKER_10B-O-R-E-D.
SPEAKER_06Zing.
SPEAKER_10Too too.
SPEAKER_06Uh it's super specific trivia, and also it's hilarious because it's you know, it's like if somebody walked into this room right now and laid out some whack Lord of the Rings shit, we would get so up in arms about like people like, actually, this was factually incorrect, and this lever should have been engaged in this position for the train to go.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. That's that's the type of the passion and fervor that they're coming at. So that for the record, we love train people. We're a train people podcast. You're welcome here. Everybody else in your world has shunned you, but we'll welcome you with open eyes.
SPEAKER_10This is a safe space. Okay, so they get on the train, right? Yeah, so they hop aboard a locomotive, doesn't have any cargo, just some really frosty looking cars. Now, Al, we see, he's the conductor or engineer. I learned from the other movie there's a difference between a conductor and an engineer. Yeah, and I don't entirely know what that is. I think I figured it out. The conductor is who's in charge of the cargo and then who's in charge of the schedule of the train. Oh, okay. The engineer is the guy you have there who knows the ins and outs of the train. Okay. Who drives it.
SPEAKER_06Fair enough. That makes sense because that's a lot of things to think about at any given time. Yeah. Both those jobs. Yeah. Uh yeah, the the next uh movie is more about the ins and outs of how train companies work. This one is more about what would happen if somebody had a heart attack and then a train just went over started running away. Yeah, this one plays a little bit more like a biblical story.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. Uh so Al, the conductor, suddenly has a heart attack, drops off the train.
SPEAKER_06He funnier than it was supposed to be, I think.
SPEAKER_10He yeah. I mean, it's how most of us are gonna go. Uh how much can we really laugh at it?
SPEAKER_06Oh god, just like can you off a train. Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna jump my plan is uh to go off a train. Uh train off. Police assisted suicide off train. I want the warden to push me off the train. No, his heart attack is comically first day of acting class heart attack time thing is like, okay, you're having a heart attack. Oh, like 2 a.m. infomercial for like meta metal metalurk metalurk bracelets or whatever those were. Uh but it's good. And uh it was shocking, and it it's all the explanation I need as to how a train might run away.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. So he does attempt to stop it before falling dead from the locomotive, but his application of the brakes disables the dead man switch. Yes, and that's without cutting the throttle. So the locomotives burn through the brake shoes and keep going.
SPEAKER_07Shoes, the shoes, it's burned through the brake shoes, man. Man, the trains burn through the brake shoes. I ain't got no brake shoes.
SPEAKER_04That's your problem. You're always talking about brake shoes, man.
SPEAKER_10I learned a little bit about this, these mechanical things. There's a bit from this movie and a bit more from the other.
SPEAKER_06I can I can understand how a person might be a train guy, because they are pretty cool machines.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Right from I think they're the best machines there are. They're pretty good.
SPEAKER_10Can you name a better one?
SPEAKER_06Um, I guess if I have airplanes are pretty cool. Airplanes are really cool. You could be a plane guy too, now that I mentioned.
SPEAKER_10Airplanes are really cool, but trains are uniquely efficient. They are.
SPEAKER_06They are uh they get a lot done.
SPEAKER_10They're environmentally friendly.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Uh I guess if I were to think of the coolest machine ever, though, it would be Optimus. I gotta think of it, it'd be Optimus is the coolest machine. The Transformer. Okay. He's a big semi-truck.
SPEAKER_10That's a pretty cool machine.
SPEAKER_06He's got lots of moving parts, but that's a fictitious trains are pretty good.
SPEAKER_10Trains are pretty good. I was gonna say the DVD player. So already things are starting to get heated between the two cons.
SPEAKER_09And he's like, Don't you want to be my partner, Manny? And he's like, No, you're a rapo.
SPEAKER_02I read you, I read your rap sheet, you're a rapo.
SPEAKER_07It was statutory rape, Manny.
SPEAKER_02She was 15.
SPEAKER_10So s so it's 1985. Statutory doesn't mean you're a rapist in those days. You can tell he has the intellect of a child.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, he's just looking for a partner. We're gonna be partners, man.
SPEAKER_10Maybe I'm just gonna shut up about that.
SPEAKER_06We don't need it. Softens the blow. Finding out that it's statutory rape uh does soften the blow for Manny and they start to warm up a little bit. You all love Drake, don't you? I hear you like some young.
SPEAKER_10Um, so the dispatch control. Uh, we meet Barstow and Prince. Uh, Prince played by TK Carter, he's from the thing. They're trying to figure out how to stop this train with their fancy new computerized equipment that they just launched. I think Barstow's kind of the guy spearheading it.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, Barstow, all three of these people have specific characteristics. It's Barstow, he's like shit guy. He's always got to go to the bathroom, he's always hiding in the bathroom, but he's also the brains behind the whole automated switching thing. This movie deals a little bit with a touch of technophobia. He's coming in with these weird computerized automated solutions for trains, and other people around him think it's magic. They think it's wizardry, and half of them don't want anything to do with it. Uh fair enough. Yeah. On both sides. The guy from people on both sides. Okay, it's uh I think all lives matter. I guess I'm I guess I need to be the guy who says these things on the podcast now. Um Mitch isn't here to say the most insane stuff. Yeah, I guess I need to ramp up my insanity a bit. Um, anyways, the guy from the thing, he's the fucking horn dog. This guy is just fucking super horned up the whole time. And then I didn't catch her name, but she is just preening herself and couldn't care less about anything. She's just there for a paycheck, and she's good looking, so nobody really gives her too much shit. Or the one guy kind of.
SPEAKER_10So I'm the hot one. You're the guy you're the tech one. I'm shit guy. I'm the new shitty Marvel Guy guy. Shitty Marvel Guy. You know, shitty Marvel Guy was actually just based on a DC character called Shit Guy. And they just like took his whole powers, all everything that he did, whole cloth, and just slapped the name Marvel on top of it.
SPEAKER_06And now Marvel, since Marvel put the movie out first, they have or they have the rights for the movie. So now they need to change shit guy's movie to uh, you know, Mr. Guy shit, and it's just not really the same thing.
SPEAKER_10It's the exact same thing. I mean, we can't have both of these cinematic universes.
SPEAKER_06I can't wait until the final merger where we finally get the one cinematic universe where everything is together. Finally, we can see Humphrey Bogart uh and Captain Marvel. Wait, are they under the same umbrella now? Uh Humphrey No, not the girl Captain Marvel. Humphrey Bogart and the girl Captain Marvel, they can go solve crimes together in uh Algeria, Algiers. Yeah. Wherever. Yeah, Castle Blanca takes play. I think it's Algiers.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. Yeah. Citizen Kane turns out can be in the matrix.
SPEAKER_06Turns out Rosebud was actually Thanos' power glove the whole time.
SPEAKER_10Imagine how cool that would be. That would be so awesome. I'm seated. I'm seated and I'm taking pictures with my phone.
SPEAKER_06Uh waiter, can you bring over some uh super glue so I can glue my ass to this theater seat? I don't think I'm gonna be moving for some time.
SPEAKER_10And can I get my wings with a side of epic sauce?
SPEAKER_06Uh the epic.
SPEAKER_10Maybe some bacon, epic bacon.
SPEAKER_06I'm not trolling. This isn't a troll. Uh, anyways, the world is great.
SPEAKER_10I want to die. I love it here. So uh they're trying to figure out how to stop the train. Uh I think TK Carter has some line. He's like, I ain't got no money. I'm not Michael Jackson. Yeah, we could tell. Uh so Buck says he admires Manny's two million job on the bank. Two million job. Uh he's got to lead on a good score himself, he says.
SPEAKER_06But you know, the insurance companies always they gotta play the game. Two million's a bit inflated. And two million is a bit inflated.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Is that getting better? No. I'm just gonna go with whatever.
SPEAKER_10You can just keep keep going with it. Buck says he's got a big score himself. He wants to get Manny in on it. Manny's like, not really uh keen to bite.
SPEAKER_02He's like, Oh wait, we'll go to Mardi Gras, we'll get some fine bitches, it'll be great. And Manny's like, Hey, you dreaming? Is that your dream?
SPEAKER_04It's bullshit. I'll tell you what you're gonna do. You're gonna go out there, you're gonna get a job. You're gonna get a job that only a con can do. Maybe scraping trays or something. And you're gonna go and you're gonna straight up the tray, you're gonna wipe the table down, and then the guy's gonna come in, and you're not gonna look him in the eye because you don't wanna see the fear. You don't wanna see the fear in his eye before you bash his brains in.
SPEAKER_06And he's gonna come and he's gonna say, he missed a spot over there, and you're gonna clean that spot.
SPEAKER_10You're gonna clean that spot. And that's what you're gonna do. Give me like a hundred percent more. Okay, you're gonna clean that spot. You're gonna clean that spot. Get that Oscar fun.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, this is his Oscar scene.
SPEAKER_10This is an amazing speech.
SPEAKER_06If you could do that, at the end of the week of Friday, you go pick up your paycheck.
SPEAKER_04If you could do that, you could run corporations. Chase Manhattan.
SPEAKER_06If you could do that, it's great.
SPEAKER_10That's really good. It's great. And uh Eric Roberts like, fuck no. I'd say seven out of ten job on it, by the way. Yeah, that was right off the dome, too.
SPEAKER_06Like I said, I've watched it a few times. I'm preparing to. It's my it's my monologue.
SPEAKER_10It would be a good monologue for somebody who's like trying to do a reel or something.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Well, hey, the world needs a hero. The world needs somebody else doing John. We could probably actually use some more John Void impressions in the world. He's underdone.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, that's that's really adding on to what the world needs. It's important, it's uh high in the list. Um, yeah. But Buck's like, I can't do that shit. Manny's like, more's the pity, youngster.
SPEAKER_09More's the pity. More's the pity. I wish I could.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, you could do that.
SPEAKER_09I wish.
SPEAKER_10I wish I could. It's it adds so many complicated layers to both of their characters. That's when I fell in love with this movie. And it wasn't just because I was like, oh wow, these guys are like putting in Oscar Caliber performances. I was like, no, this is a Kurosawa movie at heart.
SPEAKER_06Some fucking deep shit. It just brings you right in. Like, uh, yeah, you're totally right. Like, these they were fun. You could instantly watch these guys as soon as they're on screen because they're playing it so big, they're just really into their performances. But this scene is like it's the fulcrum that kind of turns the movie into because for the rest of the movie, it's just these two guys essentially in a train together.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, and it like we get a third person, yeah.
SPEAKER_06But it just drops everything in there that you need to feel like you understand who these guys are. You get a really good glimpse of both of them, and now you're ready to be strapped into this train with them for the next hour. It's good, it's so good.
SPEAKER_10It's elemental, it's Roshimon, it's all of that stuff. Um, so collision. Uh not plot like Roshimon, it's elemental like Roshimon. Uh so the the controllers warn a train to change tracks quick or be hit by the runaway. The engineer, he doesn't listen fast enough. Uh, he changes tracks. Manny's iron horse plows right through their caboose, and they're like, what the fuck was that? Yeah. Manny's like, I think there's something up with the engineer. I think there's something up. There's something up with him. And uh Rankin, he hears meanwhile that they found the prisoners' suits. Like I said, they're just left their jumpers sitting in plain sight.
SPEAKER_06My name's Book, and I'm here to fuck up because I'm a fuck up.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. Meanwhile, the soup, the superintendent McDonald, uh, of the train company, he orders Barstow. He's like, you derail that fucking runaway train now. He does, they don't know that there's anybody on board.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Shitboss, I forgot his name, but like he's the guy, tech guy. He's a hesitant about this. He thinks that it's a bad idea, and he's like, somebody could get hurt. There might be somebody on there. We don't know that it's an empty train, which they don't. They're assuming it is, but they don't actually know that.
SPEAKER_10So Barstow radios a crusty old controller in a remote outpost. Love this guy. Also, this looks like one of the shittiest jobs ever. Shitty job? If it's warm in that shack, I'm fucking drinking all the time.
SPEAKER_06He's just hanging out in a truck, isn't he?
SPEAKER_10He's got a shack.
SPEAKER_06He's got a oh, I didn't. I thought it was just a truck.
SPEAKER_10He's got a little remote outpost.
SPEAKER_06Okay, that's not so bad.
SPEAKER_10It's like fucking ice fishing shack. You're just sitting in there all day drinking beer.
SPEAKER_06Put me in there with like a guitar and like some Merle Hagard records. I'll I'll have a good time. I could be there till I croak. Yeah. Okay. I didn't I thought he was just sitting in a truck the whole time. Okay, shack is better.
SPEAKER_10Bring a broom and a dustpan for my skeleton. We should have sent somebody to check up on this guy earlier. They radio this guy to switch the tracks to derail it. Um the cons, they jump outside to investigate, but then the whistle blows on the train. And they're like, Oh, I guess that means we do have an engineer at the front of this thing. So then they change the order to derail. They're like, Oh, so don't derail the train. There's uh somebody's on board. I love the girl to whistle. So that that doesn't blow.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. So the guy he's has a funny reaction when he gets the shot. He's like, Sh hold son of a bitch. I had to do two things today. Yeah. He makes me get out of my chair twice. Yeah. So he goes and then like he switches the track. In one day. But at first, he's like, oh, boy, this is gonna be something. He's like, like kind of stoked to see this train derail, but also Oh, yeah, I guess that that would be kind of exciting. Yeah, but yeah, he goes and while the train is blowing by super fast, by the way. Uh, it's worth noting that this movie and the next one are both really effective at showing how fast the train is moving and like kind of how fucking crazy it would be to be on a train that's moving that fast with next to nothing protecting you, like out on the side, like if you're on the top or the sides, like it's a missile the size of the Chrysler building. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Um but this train just whizzes by, and somehow this fucking old crankpot curmudgeon sees that there's somebody walking around on there and And he phones it in and it's confirmed that there is somebody on the train. And he's able to tell that it's a it's a woman. Is he? Yeah. What from the whistle? From well, he sees her go by.
SPEAKER_10Oh, I didn't think he could tell that it was abroad.
SPEAKER_06I don't know. Somehow the people in the control room find out that there's a woman on board. Somebody was able to tell.
SPEAKER_10Someone on board and they got a great rack. She got a great ass.
SPEAKER_09But she's got a great ass.
SPEAKER_10So we have uh they're in the train. Buck's acting like everything's okay. Uh, you know, he's trying to make conversation. Do you like him? And trophies? Yeah, Maddie's like, I don't know if I like him. He's like, well, if you had him, you'd remember having him, I tell you what.
SPEAKER_06Just a nightmare travel companion. Like, Buck would be, he would play for a joke in if he was on an airplane. You look over, he's like, this is the guy you have to sit next to on your Pacific flight. You're gonna jump out the window, right? Am I right? Jump out of the train. I'm surprised Manny doesn't jump out of the train. His will to live is that strong.
SPEAKER_10I don't think he's that bad. I mean, he's a statutory rapist. I don't know. Does he have any good albums? So somebody else is on the train, obviously, and they're trying to get back to the back car where the cons are. Having trouble. She comes in and they see it's a woman. Rebecca DeMornay enters the film. Yeah. What a smoke show, man. Uh, she works on the train. What what what what was her title? What's their I missed her title. A hostler.
SPEAKER_06Oh, she's a hostler. She's what the people in the next movie are. Yeah. Ethan Suplian. Hostler. Yeah. Uh and that's train terminology. She's also sucks at her job. Like, do all these guys suck? That's what these movies would leave me to believe. These guys are fucking useless.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, they're like the well, no, not ro nope. Rodeo clowns are great at their job. That's why they're rodeo clowns. Rodeo clowns. What's the equivalent of a hostler?
SPEAKER_06Bega chandler? In the airplane world?
SPEAKER_10Maybe. They're the people who like take-I don't know if they actually suck at their jobs, but I assume they do.
SPEAKER_06Well, they're the people who like arrange the ba the cargo for the planes and the trains and the they hook the things up.
SPEAKER_10For all I know, they're doing a great job if 99% of the time it gets going good.
SPEAKER_06Well, you know, people always complain about baggers and them fucking up or whatever.
SPEAKER_10But like grocery baggers, I'm like, no, those people are aces. Yeah. Like they're great. I've never had a bad grocery bag.
SPEAKER_06They're never plot points, neither of those professions are ever plot points in movies to fuck up a whole goddamn train situation here. Like these guys, the hostlers are like the direct well, she kind of helps save the name of it in the next movie. The hostlers are the reason the train got fucked up. She just sucks at her job because she's sleeping on it.
SPEAKER_10She's a DEI woke hire.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, she is she's not qualified for this position.
SPEAKER_10I mean, maybe not woke because she's just way too good looking. They've got dirt smeared all over her face as though to make her unattractive, but she's like I could have sworn that she was a chimney sweeper, like the person they hired to like clean out the smokestack on the train. Yeah, she looks like Dick Van Dyke in the Mary Poppins.
SPEAKER_06She looks like she just wants a little bit more gruel from like the orphanage lineup. But she's clearly the most beautiful woman you've ever seen. Yeah, I don't know who's prettier, her or Eric Roberts with his freakish high cheekbones and soft features.
SPEAKER_10Eric Roberts is really hot. Pouty lips. He's hot.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Dick sucking lips. Sorry, that's not the right word. Cock sucking lips. Thank you. Um, so Rebecca De Mornay is a hostler. She works on the train, and uh right away, like Buck's like slicking his hair back, being like, as you would, you see a beautiful woman, you haven't seen one in years. Yeah. Uh I might have used a little better language on my pickup line here.
SPEAKER_02You know, he's like, we're on our way to Vegas to see a really good friend Wayne Newton. Hey, sweetheart. How would you like a really good fuck, huh?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, Wayne Newton is like, you don't want to bring Wayne Newton up when you're trying to get laid.
SPEAKER_10Well, I mean, it might get her wet.
SPEAKER_06Donkishane. Baby, Donka Shane. Throw that on. I know that's on your playlist.
SPEAKER_10It gets you wet.
SPEAKER_06It gets everybody wet.
SPEAKER_10Sorry, listeners, you're all wet. Didn't should have worn it. How would you like a really good fuck is not you weren't quite there yet. That's all I'm saying.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_10He had a good chance because he's Eric Roberts. He's good looking.
SPEAKER_06And he opened with the Wayne Newton.
SPEAKER_10And the Wayne Newton was a good line.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. Floodgates are opening, opening, and then they're shut. Yeah. Right? That's no.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_06No, no, no.
SPEAKER_10So she explains she was sleeping until they hit the caboose. Uh, there's no engineer. Uh, she tells them. And she's like, oh, and by the way, you guys are all gonna die.
SPEAKER_06There's no yeah, there's no way to stop this train because the throttle is in the front, uh, the brakes are in the front, and there's no there's no guardrails or handrails to get to the front. So there's no way you're gonna get there. So, anyways, we're all gonna die here. May as well just sit and get to know each other a little bit.
SPEAKER_10Um now the dispatchers learned that the hostler is on board, and that was who was who blew the whistle. The only person on train is a woman. How lucky can I get one of them? Super pissed that he's got some venom on that. Yeah. Woman. Reminded me of my dad.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, he's got it's weird. It's weird. Happy birthday, Dad. Um But she has a plan. The door up front got jammed during the collision. That's right. So they can't get through there and they can't go around the sides.
SPEAKER_10But yeah, and Buck's like, well, I have some bad news. We also escaped from prison.
SPEAKER_06You are prisoners?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, that now you're really closing up her pants.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_10That might work sometimes, but not after the I mean, if you're on a speeding train careening towards certain death, I feel like your chances of scoring are pretty good. Maybe. You really gotta fuck up bad. You have to be a real idiot numbskull. Are you going out fucking? I don't know if I'm going out fucking. I'm going out. You're going fucking. I don't care who's there. My dad. Anyone.
SPEAKER_04My dad, your dad, anybody's dad.
SPEAKER_06They can all be there. It's fine. Emma Roberts' dad. In fact, he needs to he he must be there. That would really make it cool. Maybe I'd like to hang out with Eric Robert.
SPEAKER_10Can you do the buck character?
SPEAKER_07Oh, sure. I get asked to do that all the time. Is this how you like it, Manny? I'm gonna give you a reach around, Luke.
SPEAKER_06Thanks, Eric. Okay, now I'm off to my next job. We'll see, we'll be seeing you later. Helicopter pulls him out. Yeah, parachutes out. I'm always working.
SPEAKER_10Fuck yeah. Nothing can kill Eric Roberts. Um, so Manny's keeping it cool. The other two are really starting to freak out.
SPEAKER_09And Manny's like, just do what I tell you, and don't crap out on yourself.
SPEAKER_10I brought you along to be a regular, not a piece of shit. Some some nice fatherly encouragement. Yeah, real good pep talk.
SPEAKER_04Go there when your little league game.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. Uh Manny takes a swig of this alcohol that they found in the depot and decides he's gonna try and jump. Uh Sarah stops them by saying there may be a way to slow the train by disconnecting the multi-unit cables between the second and third engines.
SPEAKER_06That's that's that's this movie is that are locomotives. That's train talks version of Star Trek Talk.
SPEAKER_10I feel like this stuff's pretty accurate. I don't know. Sure. Locomotive. Sarah gets the dilithium crystals and consults with uh Lieutenant Jordy.
SPEAKER_06He has to punch it in on his flat little keyboard there and says, Well, it might be possible, but it's only theoretical.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. Manny's like, you better know what you're talking about. She's like, Don't threaten me. What's wrong with you? Which is a great question to ask these two absolute fucking lunatics. Yeah. And I love, I love how she acts off these guys in this movie. Just an absolute home run for a fucking third actor in this.
SPEAKER_06Oh, yeah. Uh, she really rounds them all out and brings like a whole new level of humanity to everything. It also gives them good, it's good for the two other guys to play off of, too, because they both have different reactions to her, where Eric Roberts is uh very much engaging with her on a human level, and Manny's just using both of these people as like a means to just further his own personal agenda. He doesn't have any humanity left in him, and you really see that once she's brought into the picture. Not at this point.
SPEAKER_10Yeah. Uh they go outside, Buck goes between the cars and has to break the iC cables. Um, Sarah's she falls onto the cables, they help her back up. Some engineers all wait to watch them pass through a tunnel and over this rickety old wooden bridge. Oh yeah. Uh they see three people on there, and that they tell the radio control, they're like, there's not one person on there.
SPEAKER_06There's three. And it turns out both of these movies tell me that bridges are stressful for trains. Because both of these movies, like going over in this one, they're super worried because the train is going too fast and the bridge can't handle a train going that fast. The vibrations are just gonna blow the bridge apart. So all these people are watching, expecting this train to just go crashing into a gully and blow up into like a you know, mushroom cloud of toxic smoke. We love seeing a train go off a bridge, don't we, folks? I just love it. Lacmagantique. Oh, c'est bon. Uh you don't see as in movies though, you don't see as many trains going off a cliffs. You know, that generic car going off of a cliff and exploding. You don't really get that as much as you want to with trains, but I mean, this movie was pretty thrilling.
SPEAKER_10Uh the next movie we talk about is pretty thrilling, but nothing's come close for me to the movie where the train comes toward the screen. Oh my god. When I first saw that, and you cried like a little girl, like a little baby. Yeah, that tiny little baby. Thomas Edison was the director, I believe, of that joint. I love Thomas Edison joint.
SPEAKER_06Is it? I I love that guy. Yeah. I love everything he's done.
SPEAKER_10I screamed.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. And cried. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Pissed my pants, shit my pants.
SPEAKER_06We just watched it like two weeks ago. We thought, are we gonna if we're doing train movies? Should we do this train movie? It's the original train movie. Yeah. I thought about calling the fire department to coax you out of that tree you climbed into, but I shook the little bag of treats and I was able to get you to kind of scamper down a little bit.
SPEAKER_10I know you have a harder time coming down than going up, but yeah, you know I can come down really fast when a bunch of fire department hunks are standing there whistling at me. With their hoses hanging like Schwanzes.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_10I knew that they thought their ladders wouldn't help me. Treats were enough to get me down this time. That's right. But the the men with the Schwanzes.
SPEAKER_06I don't try to use food as an encouragement, as but uh, you know, sometimes it sometimes it works.
SPEAKER_10And you even gave me extra screen time on the iPad.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. And I said, hey, you know what? We don't need to watch that train movie again. Let's watch some other train movies. Let's watch these train movies. Runaway train. Unstoppable.
SPEAKER_10So the cat's out of the bag. Now they say they're gonna either have a head on with another train in five minutes or they reroute. The reroute will take them to a curve they likely couldn't make, which would crash them into a fucking chemical plant.
SPEAKER_06Why do they keep building toxic chemical plants underneath curve, train curves?
SPEAKER_10I don't know about the curve part, but I can understand why they're built near rail lines.
SPEAKER_06I get I you know what I bet they built the rail lines to lead to them.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_06But yeah, I just don't know why they keep in making it like supervision.
SPEAKER_10I like it when they build a big overhead curve on top of a bunch of residential homes. That's even better.
SPEAKER_06Especially when they're uh carrying molten ethanol or whatever molten phenol.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, phenol. Stuff's like super cancer. It's gonna be 10,000 Hiroshima.
SPEAKER_04One drop of this is enough to kill the entire county. That train's got 10 full cars, it's got 500 million gallons.
SPEAKER_10So Rankin shows up at control now. He starts trying to boss Barsto around, who tells him to fuck off. Rankin follows Barsto into the jaunt and dunks his head to the business oil. It killed me. I didn't see this coming. Me either. I was dying. This is where we begin to learn what a psycho fucking rankin is. Yeah, you kind of had a bit of an idea like this guy's an asshole, but he's like giving this guy a piss bath. He wants the convicts back and he wants them back alive so he can fucking flay them with his bare hands. Yeah, he needs to make an example of them because things are out of control at his prison. You want to know what a riot looks like? No. Your brains are too small to imagine it. Now tell me how to find that terrain with a helicopter. So uh wipe the piss off your face. You smell like piss. You smell like piss, piss boy.
SPEAKER_04You're about as useless as a sack of piss.
SPEAKER_10Not useful like shit. You're not even a shit boy, you're a little piss boy. So Saras, she's figuring, oh well, you know, a miracle could happen. We could we could be saved.
SPEAKER_02And Manny's like, Do you know how stupid you sound? I ain't waiting for no miracle. I'm going around. That's where I'm going. I'll make it. If I have to fly the feet like a birdie, a fly, a fly.
SPEAKER_06I love like Manny's whole thing is everybody else is fucking stupid.
SPEAKER_10But he's smart and he'll do what he's gotta do. So Buck, he insists Manny can't with his hand, and that he'll have to do it. I can whip this fucker.
SPEAKER_02Hey Manny, partners, fucking A, partners.
SPEAKER_07We're partners, Manny. Fucking A. Sure, kid.
SPEAKER_06Sure. Manny's like, okay, we're partner. I give. If you say so, go stop that train. So why aren't they just unbuckling a car that they're not attached to?
SPEAKER_10That's what I was wondering.
SPEAKER_06Like, if I they'd be in the middle of nowhere, but like they wouldn't be on a runaway train. Yeah, they wouldn't be heading to certain death. Yeah. You wait until you go past a place that's like semi-populated, and then you let go. And then you just wind up a little bit down the track. Like, that's the move for me. If I'm on a runaway train, that's what I'm gonna do.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. So these people are still.
SPEAKER_10I feel like there's lots of ways out. I feel like Manny's a little overconfident in his abilities, and people trust him too much, Buck especially.
SPEAKER_06He's Buck loves Manny, but Manny's so charismatic. Well, what's your solution for a runaway train?
SPEAKER_10I don't like you can't disconnect my train from the one that's running away.
SPEAKER_06Like the one we just talked about, of course. Yeah, that's a lot better than what they do. A lot less death-defying. I'm in the rear unit. Yeah, couldn't be easier. Pull the pin, cue the 10 million train guys coming at us. Be like, actually, you can only disconnect the train when the brakes are fully engaged, and you can't disconnect a moving train.
SPEAKER_10I know we have 20 million listeners, and 10 of those million are train guys, but they write 20 million emails though.
SPEAKER_06Like they're like super uh uh high or high performers. These guys are mega high performers.
SPEAKER_10So Buck goes out, he tries, he fails. Manny doesn't want to let him back in.
SPEAKER_02Get back the fuck out there! Show me what you are not! You want to be a tough guy! Get the fuck out of there!
SPEAKER_10Get back out there! Get back out there! You don't know what you could do and what you can't. Now another rousing motivational speech. So he boots his ass. He straight up like I feel so bad.
SPEAKER_06Eric Roberts is like a a da a whimpering dog in the scene.
SPEAKER_07No, Manny, I thought we were partners. I thought we were partners, Manny.
SPEAKER_10I know we're having fun making fun of these big performances. This is great acting for both guys. Uh Sarah's begging him to stop. Uh, Sarah's like, stop, stop, stop. You're an animo! No, you're an animo. Worse. I'm human.
unknownOh shit.
SPEAKER_10Nah. So a fight breaks out between all three of them. There's wrenches and knives being branded. It's fucking intense.
SPEAKER_06Buck is like trying to stab Manny. He's threatening to stab Manny with a knife. Uh he Manny's like throwing Rebecca De Mornay into the window. Like she breaks the window with her head, and that like caught like causes everything to kick off. And then they all just kind of like stop. They realize they're at this like stalemate. Manny can't beat both of them. And uh then Manny's like starts getting ready. He's like, I'll do it. He's starts getting ready to go out there and do it himself. Hmm.
SPEAKER_10The god tear Eric Roberts performance here. He's like, Thought we was partners. He was a hero to all of us back in that shit. Oh god damn. Oh manny. They the three of them all huddle up and cry at this point.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, even. It's amazing.
SPEAKER_10It's just not what you expect from a movie like this.
SPEAKER_06And again, yeah, from at all. It's a canon picture for the first five minutes, and then in in parts here and there, you know, like little piss face, again, your face dunked in piss, little sprinkle of can in here. Buddy having a huge heart attack and falling off the train, little sprinkle of can in here. Then it's just got this beautiful Kirosawa-inspired screenplay running through the whole thing.
SPEAKER_10So Barstow now reluctantly sets the track to derail them. As per his boss's orders, sacrificing the three people aboard the runaway. He watches footage of the space shuttle, wondering how this could happen with all the technology at their command. He's like, well, if we can send people to space, how can this fucking happen?
SPEAKER_06Again, some of this weird like technophobia, something going on here where it's like, we have all this amazing technology, you know, we can change the tracks at at whim, but you can't account for the chaos of humanity.
SPEAKER_10I don't think this movie really reckons with the theme of technology that much, but um to me it came it came up a few times.
SPEAKER_06It does come up, and it's a thing that's like people don't entirely know what to do with it. People are a little uh scared of technology, I think, or unsure of some people fully embrace it. Because this guy, his whole thing's like he loves technology, but technology can't save him. It can't save the situation.
SPEAKER_10Not in this case. Yeah. But I mean, to me, that means just like do better with your deck. You got too many holes, and like it's identifying problems with it. It doesn't mean the technology is a failure in this case, and this is coming from me, the most Luddite person you'll ever meet.
SPEAKER_06Well, it's just like it you need the human side of it to help balance the situation. If you leave the machines to run themselves, then things get fucked up. You need a little good human ingenuity in there.
SPEAKER_10So Rankin's got a helicopter. Helicopter? He lowers a guy down. I think we're calling it a heledictor. He's got a helicopter. Crash he lowers this guy down, he crashes like immediately into the window and falls under the train. It's awesome.
SPEAKER_06Little sprinkle of can in there for you.
SPEAKER_10It's fucking great. Oh well, I mean, just having helicopters in a movie is canon.
SPEAKER_06I love it. This the next movie does better with the helicopters.
SPEAKER_10It's great with the helicopters.
SPEAKER_06Love big time helicopters.
SPEAKER_10So Manny thinks this is hilarious and like basically comes out of his slump, and it is hilarious, of course. A cop getting fucking pancaked by a train. It's funny every time. He hates Rankin too, and he knows he knows it's Rankin behind it. Yeah. So he's like re-energized. All of a sudden, he's really gassed up. Then Rankin, the maniac, he's like, let me down now. So he comes dangling down. Manny's gloating.
SPEAKER_02Here I am, right in your face, sucker. You'll never get me, sucker, sucker, sucker.
SPEAKER_10He turns into Mr. T for a minute. They've got a helicopter dangling a man over top of a speeding train going 70 kilometers or miles an hour. So like 150 kilometers an hour at least, zipping through tunnels on a steep mountain pass. This is fucking stunts.
SPEAKER_06The tunnel aspect of this whole situation. So this is insane. The train is going through a series of tunnels. So the helicopter keeps going in and then flying away because there's mountains there. So it just kind of keeps going away, going away, coming in, coming in. And Manny's just yelling at the top of his lungs the whole time. It's fucking cinema.
SPEAKER_10Now the tracks switch. Sarah figures they've given up on them and they're gonna crash any minute. Yeah, she's like she's like rest falling at the end. We're done. We're cooked, as the young folks would say. Fam chat, I think I'm cooked. Mm-hmm. Think I'm cooked. Buck holds her, they like hold each other, resigned, like ready to die. Manny, he's not giving up. He pours the rest of the booze on his hand, his busted ass hand, goes out to the goes out the broken windshield, because they're freezing to death in that fucking car now, by the way. Because the windshield's broken.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Manny leaps, ends up under the cables, crushes his hand. He pryes open the door, gets inside the lead engine.
SPEAKER_06That hand crush looked incredibly painful. Yeah. Because like his hand has been getting worse and worse throughout the movie, and they've kind of been showing that and kind of indicating that he's like rubbing it a little bit. You know, it's a it's a big deal, and then it just gets fucking crushed big time and no good. It's toast. Yeah. That ain't healing. Ain't uh ain't no band-aid in the world big enough to heal that boo-boo.
SPEAKER_10That's a stretch. Rankin lands on the train, goes inside. Hey, boo.
SPEAKER_07They got picnic baskets on the train. Manny, there's a couple of bears on this train. I don't know, Yogi.
SPEAKER_10Yogi. I'm just a little queen. So fucking waste of time going down that road.
SPEAKER_06Oh, I don't think so. I thought we were partners, Yogi.
SPEAKER_07Yeah. I was like, you get back out there, boo boo. Get back out there, boo boo boo. Hey boo boo, get back out there. You want to work at some fucking job, boo boo. Hey boo. Boo boo, you want to be president of Chase Manhattan? You're gonna clean that spot, Boo Boo. Clean that spot, boo-boo! I can't do it! I can't do it!
SPEAKER_08I wish I could do it, Boo-Boo. I heard about you, Boo Boo. Use a repo. It was statutory, Yogi. She was 15. We were in love. Well, in love. I don't know nothing about love. I'm an animal. You're worse than an animal, Yogi. So maybe we should do this at the fringe.
SPEAKER_06Two-man play, runaway train, but uh Yogi and Boo-Boo instead of.
SPEAKER_10I don't even know if that's what boo-boo sounds like. But yes, yes, this is 100% a go. Oh god. Um so Rankin shoots Manny. Manny sprays him with a fire extinguisher and cuffs him to the train. Uh you ask him if Jonah is alive. He is. Yeah, which is nice.
SPEAKER_02That makes him he's like, ah, good, good, good, good.
SPEAKER_10It's like the first time Manny's been happy in the entire movie. Yeah, they just sit down. They're like, I guess we're gonna die now.
SPEAKER_06Warden's a little pissed off about it, to be honest. He's a little uh ticked to the situation.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, he's fucking I guess I would rather train with Eric Roberts than this Warden, but I'd personally like to be in Rebecca De Mornay's arms if I'm gonna die or live. So the train crashes through depot gates uh just a few minutes to go. I am free, Rankin, win, lose, that's the di what's the difference? And uh Rankin asks, he's like, What about the punk and the little girl? And he goes, No, no, it's just you and me, it's you and me.
SPEAKER_09So Manny just you and me, Rankin.
SPEAKER_10Just you and me, boo-boo. So Manny goes outside, does what they should have done in the first fucking place, disconnects the lead car, Bucky screams at him to shut it down as Manny waves goodbye. Manny stands atop the engine, arms outstretched, embracing oblivion.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and the if there were intercut shots of him riding this train, it's intercut with tearful Eric Roberts, solemn and somber, everybody from that we've seen in the prison before, just kind of like Yeah, all the prisoners.
SPEAKER_10Yeah, like 10 out of 10 ending. Holy shit. It's such a fucking good ending. And it think about good endings is they make your movie a lot better. Yeah, if your movie can't stick the ending, like it's it just doesn't have an impact on you. But like I'll remember this ending the rest of my life.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and then and then yeah, for sure. And all of a sudden, if you have a bad, if you have a really good ending, you can kind of let the credits wash over you and be like, holy shit, that movie meant something. That movie did something. But if you have a shitty ending, it kind of does the opposite, where it'll totally it'll sour the entire first two-thirds of the movie, yeah, even. So I don't we we don't really talk about it much on here, but like Rogue One, I don't want to go into a big thing, but like the ending of Rogue One makes me hate the entire fucking movie. And that's all we have to say about it. But like that's an example, like people like that movie, and I don't, but like that ending comes up and it just makes bile churn up in my stomach, and it makes you just not like it.
SPEAKER_10It's make or break.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, but uh this movie nails it. We get a little Shakespeare just to class it up at the very end.
SPEAKER_10Little Richard the Third quote uh no beast so fierce, but knows some touch of pity, but I know none, and therefore am no beast. That obviously had to come from Kurosawa, who is nuts about Shakespeare. Yeah. So Manny has reclaimed his humanity.
SPEAKER_06Holy shit.
SPEAKER_10I know, it's so good.
SPEAKER_06Like, I did not know I would this movie I did not expect this movie to for me to love it as much as I did.
SPEAKER_10Well, that's Runaway Train from 1985.
SPEAKER_06Hell yeah.
SPEAKER_10I hope you had fun fucking around with us and talking about this movie.
SPEAKER_04And if you liked it, why don't you call us up in the middle of the night? Something, something be do man.
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Uh yeah. Thank you for listening to that. If you're a member of Soul Asylum, uh, we would love to have you play for us sometime. Come on, we'll give you a beer. Come sing a song for us. Sing Misery. That'd be great.
SPEAKER_10That was their attempt at a Tom Petty song. I remember them saying that.
SPEAKER_06Misery? No, Runaway Train. Yeah, that tracks. I don't really know much aside from them, uh, of from them aside from those songs. Misery was it incorporated? Maybe it was Misery Incorporated.
SPEAKER_10But uh I remember one of their I had one of their CDs.
SPEAKER_06Okay.
SPEAKER_10What was the other one?
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SPEAKER_01Yeah, fair enough.
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SPEAKER_10A class action against poor Eric Roberts.
SPEAKER_07I don't know how many more I don't know how many more of these things I can take. Oh no. I keep asking my agent to put my birthday parties on my IMDB, but he won't do it. I did a somersault for the kids. What's wrong? They liked it. Wait, do you got any cocaine? One of them came up and kicked me in the ribs and told me to get out. Get out there. Get out there.
SPEAKER_06Well, until next time, when we're coming back to talk trains, we're talking unstoppable. Choo choo. I thank you for choo choo choosing the high and low podcast. Until next time, I'm Vaughn. I'm Luke. Uh smell you later.
SPEAKER_00Yana comma miser. I know you know. Well, I'm old about a paper. And a dishevel. I'm a real shoulder. He's a paper in a hay. Well, I'm gonna ask the governor. He tryna lose a mind. Let him in the high space. Shine light on me. And let him in the spaces. Shine of a light on me. When you get up in the morning, when that big bill rain, you go to margin to the table. Be the same damn thing, not the fog around the table. There's nothing in my pain. Never seen a thing about it.
